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I'm kind of confused by what you're both saying.
Do you mean that EVERYTHING that is stated in the bible is correct, and that you must follow everything that is said/believed?
I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what people are sayingg.

I said no, they said yes.

I'm catholic but i cant imagine believe in every single thing the bible says.

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I'm kind of confused by what you're both saying.
Do you mean that EVERYTHING that is stated in the bible is correct, and that you must follow everything that is said/believed?
I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what people are sayingg.

Yes, everything in the Bible is correct and I believe and try my hardest to follow everything it says. Sure, I'm human and I make mistakes, but God forgives. I know he does. Everyone is born a sinner and it is up to us do to something about it. If we profess that God is our savior and ask him for forgiveness, we are guaranteed a place in Heaven. But, God does not like it when we continuously ask for forgiveness because we keep committing the same sin. He, just like everyone else, does not like to be taken advantage of.

Okay, I think I got my point across a long time ago.

personally, i look at the old testament of the bible as a book of morals and stories. each of them showing us how to lead good lives and be good people, and what the world would become if we didn't.

i'm not sure i believe that everything in there really happened, and if it did i'm not sure it happened quite to the extend as stated in the bible, but regardless we can learn a lot from the lessons and morals provided in each.

the new testament also has good stories and morals, but that's what they're presented as. stories and morals and teachings of Jesus Christ.

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Originally posted by eliada.:
i suppose, but sometimes people, even christians can be judgemental and un-accepting and i guess they've made being gay into this carnal sin but i think a sin is a sin, there arent big sins and small sins.

does this make sense lol

unfortunately, a lot of the most judgmental and un-accepting people in the world are christians. i'm not saying that all christians are like this, but even the most religious people on these boards must at least somewhat acknowledge that this is true. that's another problem i have with organized religions. that many of the people within the church think of themselves in higher standings than the people they consider sinners and tend to be very judgmental and condescending towards them and their actions.

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Originally posted by magenta.:
are you really fukcing kidding me. read the damn bible. cause everyone back in those times were gay.
thanks though.

Right, they lived in Sodom and Gomorrah and that town was destroyed! (I haven't read through to see if anyone mentioned that...)

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that one passgae also mentions drinking and premartial sex. people do these things commonly, and there are many devout christians who don't enforce the premartial sex thing.

Oh, and on that note, they should enforce everything. There is no such thing as a "Build-A-God workshop." Nowhere in the Christian faith is it acceptable to pick and choose what kind of a God you want. It is all or nothing. We have had many sermons on that very subject (actually, this past week was on it), so I can link you to it. My church provides podcasts for anyone who wants to learn about God and grow daily.


And, if you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and he was sent to the Earth by his father to save all of us and guarantee a spot in Heaven beside him. He was the chosen one sent to save us from all of the sin in the world. If you believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, you continue to grow in your relationship with the lord, attend church regularly (as you should), and follow the Bible, you are considered a Christian. It's not as difficult as people make it seem.

i don't get why you you said you need to go to church regularly to be considered a christian.


i asked someone close to me who is a minister if you had to go to church to be considered apart of that religion and he told me no, that it's about what you believe and if you try to live by it, not necessarily reading the bible all the time or always being at church.

maybe people who don't go to church all the time aren't the best christians, but i still don't think you have to go to church regularly to be one.

Personally, I find it a bit ignorant to say that you 100% believe in every word the Bible says, and that you must go to church regularly and pray regularly etc. to be a good Christian. Because really, who defines a good Christian? We all look at things differently, and how to be a good person of the Christian faith is one of those things.

what i'm about to post isn't directed at any of you or how you live your lives or practice your beliefs. it's thoughts that from my experiences i've formed and is in no way meant to offend anyone here because i respect you all and your religious views and would never attack any of you for them.

i'm going to copy and paste it from an aim conversation i'm having with haley right now.

see i've been thinking about this stuff and forming these opinions ever since i started separating myself from the church. because one day i realized that church isn't a place to grow as a christian as much as it's a place to go and pat each other on the back for just how christian and wonderful you are. and i didn't like that. there's a cockiness that goes along with organized religions, there's a sense of superiority and people seem to think they're smarter and better off and almost pity those that aren't on the same path in their lives. and i didn't like that. because everyone is different, everyones' lives are different, and we can't expect the same religious mold to fit perfectly to each of them. and if we're not willing to make exceptions and bend the "rules" a little, then we're excluding people which seems to go against every single thing that we're supposed to believe as christians. it's hypocritical and egotistical and i'd rather just have faith in myself and in what i feel and believe and what i've learned and gathered over the years, and that includes a love for and trust in God and Jesus.

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i asked someone close to me who is a minister if you had to go to church to be considered apart of that religion and he told me no, that it's about what you believe and if you try to live by it, not necessarily reading the bible all the time or always being at church.

Tell the church that. My sister had a hard time getting my nephew baptized because they don't attend church. Same goes for when she got married. A church was actually going to turn her away because they don't go to church. I don't think that's right. I don't think they have the right to say no, you can't baptize your son because you don't go to church. That's almost like they don't want him being raised as a Catholic because they didn't feel it necessary to put all their time into their religion.

I'm not they type that believes that you have to go to church every single Sunday of your life and read 80 pages of the Bible every night to be a Christian...or a good Christian, whatever.

I just think you should know the word one way or the other and try to follow it to your best abilities.

Not allowing someone to get baptized or married is ridiculous to me, personally.